After several postponements, Former Special Counsel Robert Mueller is finally testifying in front of the House Judiciary Committee about his investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 election and any obstruction of justice committed by President Trump. Mueller wanted his final report to be his statement and only agreed to appear after being subpoenaed by the committee, and his reluctance is evident in his terse responses and refusal to delve into topics he considers outside of his purview. Still, there have been a few headline-making moments so far.

Democratic House Judiciary Chairman Jerry Nadler kicked things off by asking Mueller a straightforward line of questioning. First, did the investigation clear Trump of any obstruction of justice allegations, as the president claims at every opportunity? Mueller’s answer: No.

Nadler also asked Mueller if the Department of Justice’s Office of Legal Counsel (OLC) guidelines preventing a sitting president from being indicted could have also prevented Mueller from publicly concluding the president committed obstruction. Mueller said that was the case.

Nadler then moved on to ask whether President Trump could be indicted for obstruction of justice after leaving office. Mueller’s answer: Yes.

GOP Rep. Ken Buck then followed up on Nadler’s line of questioning, asking him to clarify that he could charge Trump with obstruction of justice after he leaves office. Mueller’s answer: Yes.

So there you have it. Trump was not exonerated by Mueller and could still be charged for possible crimes he committed while in office. Trump will not be indicted by the Justice Department because he is president, but when that changes—whether it be on January 21, 2021 or (God forbid) January 21, 2025 or (hopefully) sometime sooner—all bets are off.

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*First Published: July 24, 2019, 7:18 am